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By toxicfur (Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 09:53:06 PM EST) (all tags)
This is why I dropped out of a PhD program.


I used to be a very good student. I wasn't the smartest kid in the class, but I almost always made A's. I was one of those annoying people who rarely needed to study and still managed to remember all the stuff from lectures and books.

This is apparently no longer the case. I'm taking a statistics class this semester. And undergraduate statistics class. The same undergraduate statistics class I took as an undergraduate, about 12 or 13 years ago (Christ, that's a long time). Now, granted that I'm taking this course at a much better school, and I'm (re)learning a hell of a lot. But I'm afraid it's kicking my ass.

I had my first exam today. The multiple choice questions weren't bad - I'd spent several hours carefully going through my notes and memorizing definitions and concepts. 12 or 13 years ago, I wouldn't have needed to. Most of the computations I knew how to do as well. But there was one question that I simply couldn't figure out. I think I've gotten it now, but I'm still not sure (since I haven't double-checked the z-chart).

Here's the problem: alpha=0.05; N=12; dMEI=0.42; mu=24; and sigma=6. Based on these numbers (and the power chart provided), calculate the power of this study. Ok, that's easy: delta=(dMEI)(square root of N). Solve for delta, check the power chart, and Power = something in the neighborhood of 0.30.

The real problem came with the next question, where we had to draw the curves for H0 is true, and H0 is false; mark the critical values: mu+/-(1.96)(sigma); and indicate alpha, 1-alpha, beta, and power. That, too, I can do. Then we needed to use z scores, and the z-chart to determine the actual beta and power. That involves converting the area from the point on the curve that corresponds to dMEI and the critical value to z-scores, looking at the z-chart, and figuring out what the area under the curve is. I teh failed it. I know how to do it. I did it in the practice problems, and in the homework. I failed it on the test, though, and I still can't quite figure out why. The power from this test should be almost exactly what it is in the previous test, but I got something completely different.

As a result, I feel somewhat slow. There were kids in my class who finished a half an hour after the exam started. I took the entire class period this time, but I used to be the first person to finish. There's no way I made an A on the test, I think, and that bums me out way more than it should. I'd kind of kept in the back of my mind that if I get burned out on the writing thing, then I could use back-door connections to get into the doctoral program in social psych at $university. I'm not sure I could do it. This seriously bums me out.

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If it makes you feel better by iGrrrl (4.00 / 2) #1 Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 09:58:37 PM EST
You lost me after Here's the problem:

"I don't have time for martial law, I have to get to the gym!" zarathus


If you really want to know... by toxicfur (2.00 / 0) #2 Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 10:05:48 PM EST
(which you don't, or shouldn't), I can explain it to you. But only face-to-face, with pictures. And only after saying a few times, "No, that isn't right. Maybe it's like this." Why am I taking this course again???
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Why? by iGrrrl (4.00 / 1) #7 Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 10:56:36 PM EST
Professional development.

"I don't have time for martial law, I have to get to the gym!" zarathus
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heh by dev trash (4.00 / 1) #15 Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 07:10:36 PM EST
Me too.

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It's not unusual, by blixco (4.00 / 4) #3 Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 10:20:13 PM EST
those pathways in your brain have been taken up by more important stuff.

You have to re-train them to work on insignificance.
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I'm with iGrrrl by Kellnerin (4.00 / 2) #4 Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 10:26:20 PM EST
Also, WIPO: there's such a thing as being good at school. I went to a good college, and some people think it's 'cause I'm wicket smaht, but the truth is I was just really good at high school. (I realized this especially when I got there, and discovered that many of my fellow students weren't particularly bright, or even intellectually curious, they were just good at being students. Some of them, however, were real freakin' geniuses.)

Anyway, like most skills, it's something you can lose when you're out of practice. But then again, it's also something that's mostly useful when you're actually being a student. I gotta say, though, ever since I got my first Real Life job, the idea of going to grad school has scared the heck out of me.

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I was one of those good at being a student people by toxicfur (2.00 / 0) #11 Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 07:26:12 AM EST
Though I didn't go to a particularly good school as an undergraduate. As for grad school, I remember being a good student - before I kind of lost the plot during that one year of the PhD program - and so grad school has always seemed like a reasonable fall-back plan. If I don't do well in my current class, though, I won't have much of a chance if I ever do lose my sanity entirely and fill out the application materials...
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"It's like riding a bike" does not imply by debacle (4.00 / 1) #5 Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 10:40:33 PM EST
That as soon as you hop on, you will be as good as you ever were.

It takes some time and I don't think that college today is really the kind of learning environment that promotes learning. It's possible to pass courses with A's without learning anything at all.

You'll get back into the swing of things soon enough. Are you studying with classmates, or alone? You ought to think about joining a study group.


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College and learning. by toxicfur (2.00 / 0) #10 Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 07:20:09 AM EST
I agree completely. When I was in college, there were classes where I learned a lot (and still remember a lot), like my physiological psychology class. And then there were classes, like the modernism seminar I took, where I learned nothing, but I still got an A. Perhaps all schools aren't like this (I went to a college with a reputation as a party school), but even when I was there, I recognized that I could make A's and learn nothing, or I could make A's and learn a lot - it was really up to me. So when I was interested, I learned, and when I wasn't, I just got by.

I agree about the study group. I'm in a lab group, and the point of the labs is really to do practice problems in anticipation of the exams. That's been really helpful, and I think perhaps I'll ask my lab group if they want to study together before the next test.
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inspiritation: the effect of irritating someone so much it inspires them to do something about it. --BuggEye
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oddly by LilFlightTest (4.00 / 2) #6 Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 10:46:31 PM EST
while i did okay in stats (amazingly, it was a night class) the place i really learned about statistics was genetics class. i've forgotten a bunch of it, but it made more sense in a constant context.
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That's part of why I'm taking it in the psych dept by toxicfur (2.00 / 0) #12 Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 09:36:37 AM EST
It makes more sense when there are examples that make sense, though I can see how it would be even better if I were actually using this stuff on a day-to-day basis.
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inspiritation: the effect of irritating someone so much it inspires them to do something about it. --BuggEye
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it takes... by Metatone (4.00 / 2) #8 Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 03:04:36 AM EST
a while to get back up to speed when you do the "adult learning" thing.

Everyone's said it already, but soaking up information in university is a particular brain mode, it only works when you are in the swing of things. There tends to be repetition (for example, between the lecture and the text) but you've forgotten the subtle signals that tell you what you can ignore and what you really need to concentrate on.

It was an interesting experience for me when I did my second degree, because I did it in a different country and it took me a while to understand those signals.




learning by Merekat (4.00 / 3) #9 Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 03:57:02 AM EST
The older I get, the harder I find it to learn things as quickly coz there's just so many more possibilities I'm aware of now when I'm trying to understand something. When I was younger, there just wasn't as much stuff in my head either taking up space or mixing with new knowledge.



WIPO: by tuscoops (4.00 / 1) #13 Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:01:40 PM EST
Synaptic pruning....it'll come back with time and effort.



I certainly hope so... by toxicfur (4.00 / 1) #14 Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:43:37 PM EST
thanks.
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